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conflicting data London death certificate vs. Yad Vashem
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Thomas Frederick Anders
2018-02-04 23:18:12 UTC
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Dear JGenners, My grandfather, Heinrich AUFRICHT, B. 10 Nov 1881, in
Zablocie Poland died in Tersesienstadt 3 Oct 1942. Among his
siblings, he had a sister, Berta BRODER, B. 22 Sept. 1878 in Vienna. I
thought I knew that Berta had died in London in 1950 (data from a
linked Ancestry tree and London death certificate) but recently I
found a testimony in Yad Vashem (50414, 2235011) suggesting that Berta
submitted a deposition in Israel. The dates of this deposition do not
match exactly my information about Heinrich's birth and death and
Berta is listed as "brother" rather than sister. How do I find out
more about Berta and resolve these discrepancies? Any help would be
greatly appreciated by this newbie searcher. Many thanks. Tom

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Odeda Zlotnick
2018-02-06 01:28:46 UTC
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Hi Tom,
Some general rules concerning Yad vaShem pages of testimony:
1) Never trust the Yad VaShem translations - they are mechanical and
for some reason especially bad in defining the relationship.
2) Upload the POT (Page of Testimony) in question to ViewMate so it
can be translated by one who knows the language.
3) Click on the witnesses name - they may have filled other pages.

In your case, I went to the Yad vaShem database:
The person giving the testimony for Chaim Herman Aufricht was a sister,
named Batya in Hebrew. The name Bertha does not appear on the POT.
Chaim Herman's parents were reported as Shmuel and Ester.
The testimony, as was usual in the 1950's was filled by another person,
the witness only signed - this could be a cause for discrepancies,
especially if the person who signed had tears in their eyes, or was
hard of hearing.

Batya Broder filled 11 POT's. Not once does she appear as Bertha.
(Yes, she could be, but this person, Batya, was definitely alive in
Israel in 1955, She signed one for her niece in 1957 (signed in Hebrew).

And one for a sister, named Liza Weinheber, nee Aufricht B1876 in in
Zablocie Poland , lived in Vienna, died in Auschwitz.

She is always Batja in latin characters except for the POT for Herman.

Does a sister named Lisa belong to your family?

Her home address when she gave the testimonies was HaGilgal St. 50 in
Ramat Gan (near Tel Aviv).

Use genteam.at to search for names in Vienna, and use that information
to search for the scanned images on familysearch.com.
FamilySearch have recently indexed *some* of the images - but many are
not indexed, so make sure you search for images according the GenTeam
info as well.

Odeda Zlotnick
Searching:
KULIKOWER, BLASS, BOTTWIN-MELLER in Lemberg and Vienna;
LEISEROWITZ, ZIGLER; COSULEANU in Iassy and Cosula;
MENDELOWITSCH (MENDELWICZ) in Tomaszow Mazowietsky;
ZLOTNICK from Lapicih (Lapich) Belarus, FEIGIN in Minsk, Belarus

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From: Thomas Anders <***@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 15:02:01 -0800

Dear JGenners, My grandfather, Heinrich AUFRICHT, B. 10 Nov 1881, in
Zablocie Poland died in Tersesienstadt 3 Oct 1942. Among his siblings,
he had a sister, Berta BRODER, B. 22 Sept. 1878 in Vienna. I thought I
knew that Berta had died in London in 1950 (data from a linked Ancestry
tree and London death certificate) but recently I found a testimony in
Yad Vashem (50414, 2235011) suggesting that Berta submitted a
deposition in Israel. The dates of this deposition do not match exactly
my information about Heinrich's birth and death and Berta is listed as
"brother" rather than sister. How do I find out more about Berta and
resolve these discrepancies? Any help would be greatly appreciated by
this newbie searcher.
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