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Birthplace: "Jerusalem, Palestine, Turkey"??
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Patricia B Fuller
2017-12-19 23:52:49 UTC
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Hello Genners - I found a relative (Harry Kanstor) whose World War I draft
card and also his obituary state that he was born in "Jerusalem, Palestine,
Turkey" in 1888. Since both documents would have been written by Mr. Kanstor
or someone familiar with him, I assume this is correct, but it doesn't make
any sense to me. Could someone more knowledgeable about the history of the
region please explain?

Thank you.

Pat Redman Fuller
Simi Valley, California, USA
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Eve Line Blum
2017-12-20 20:14:09 UTC
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This is Jerusalem History. One of my father's sister, born around the
same date, was in the same case. In that period, Jerusalem was under
Turkish (Ottoman) rule. Therefore, on her personal papers they wrote
that she vas "Ottoman subject" (Ottoman person), even if her parents
were born in Lithuania and emigrated to Palestine before her birth.

See http://www.palestine-studies.org/jps/fulltext/38683 (for example).

Eve Line Blum
Besancon (France)
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Rose Feldman
2017-12-20 20:23:00 UTC
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Jerusalem was part of the Ottoman Empire till the end of World War I -
that is why he wrote Turkey. But as an individual country it was called
Palestine till 1948. The Jewish population called it Eretz Israel.

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Odeda Zlotnick
2017-12-20 20:35:27 UTC
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Before the British mandate, "Palestine" was under the rule of the Ottoman
Empire, aka Turkey. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

Odeda Zlotnick

Searching:
KULIKOWER, BLASS, BOTTWIN-MELLER in Lemberg and Vienna;
LEISEROWITZ, ZIGLER; COSULEANU in Iassy and Cosula;
MENDELOWITSCH (MENDELWICZ) in Tomaszow Mazowietsky;
ZLOTNICK from Lapici (Lapich) Belarus, FEIGIN and BELINKY in Minsk, Belarus
Post by Patricia B Fuller
Hello Genners - I found a relative (Harry Kanstor) whose World War I draft
card and also his obituary state that he was born in "Jerusalem, Palestine,
Turkey" in 1888. Since both documents would have been written by Mr.
Kanstor or someone familiar with him, I assume this is correct, but it
doesn't make any sense to me. Could someone more knowledgeable about the
history of the region please explain?
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Patricia B Fuller
2017-12-20 20:53:09 UTC
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Hi Again, Genners - Thank you, thank you, thank you, to all the wonderful
knowledgeable people who responded to my question yesterday about the
birthplace "Jerusalem, Palestine, Turkey." I am now thoroughly educated!
Before World War I, Jerusalem was part of the Ottoman Empire (i.e., Turkey).
Palestine was a district in the Ottoman Empire. Therefore, in 1888, it was
correct to list a birthplace as "Jerusalem, Palestine, Turkey." My
Kanstoroom (Kanster) relatives probably immigrated from Russia to Jerusalem
in the 1800s, possibly as part of the Zionist movement, but that's just a
guess for now. I have just started researching this family, so I have a lot
more to learn.

I will thank everyone individually, but I wanted to stop the flood of
responses. Thanks again.

Pat Redman Fuller
Simi Valley, California, USA
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Julian Levy
2017-12-23 17:16:20 UTC
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I'm interested to read that a person without Turkish citizenship can claim
Ottoman identity by virtue of living in Palestine during the ottoman era.

A case in my family points to the opposite. My father always believed his
father, Joseph Adonis (ne Adoni) was born in Marseilles, France in the late
1870s, and emigrated to Palestine as a young man. However a letter in our
family, written to him in Ladino by a relative on behalf of Joseph's ailing
father, clearly places the Adoni family in Constantinople.

Joseph was fluent in French as well as Ladino and presumably Turkish, and
also spoke Ivrit and some Arabic. He learned Yiddish from my grandmother's
Belarussian family and picked up some English when he and my grandmother,
their two children and other family members emigrated from Metulla,
Palestine to Australia in about 1912.

Why Joseph should conceal his Turkish identity and claim to be French, is a
mystery.

It is time I did some serious research about Joseph and his background, in
the light of this letter. Any suggestions about where to begin searching for
records in Constantinople would be appreciated.

Sue Levy
Perth, Australia

ADONI(S) (Turkey, Israel/Palestine), VINACOUR & LEVIN (Belarus)
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