USA Passport holder?

[Phyllis Kramer]

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David Lewin asked: "Is there anywhere I might learn who the holder of
USA Passport number 028017978 in early 1900's might have been? All I know
is his name: Simon BROWN or BRAUN
Thanks for any thoughts"

You might send a NARA inquiry to determine if they have the Passport
numbers. The online images have only the application numbers. You can
research indexed and imaged passport applications: 1791-1925 on
Ancestry or Footnote or FamilySearch.

Start with Ancestry's search, then card catalog, then look for passport.

On FamilySearch, click search, then records, then U.S. then view all
databases, and query passport. Or contact the National Archives,
Attn: Archives I Research Support Branch (NWCC1), 700 Pennsylvania Avenue,
NW Washington, D.C. 20408-0001. You can also send an email to
***@nara.gov . Include your name and address; the passport
applicant's name, year of birth, place of residence at the time the
application was made, and the approximate year of travel. If they locate
the records, they will send you an order form and instructions on ordering
copies.

The original documents are located at the National Archives in Washington
D.C. (not at the NARA branches). The later passports are also in the NY
Public Library. Additional NARA information at:
http://www.archives.gov/research/passport/index.html .

I checked Brown only...you will find more information if you also check
Braun:

Ancestry database: U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925 lists 5
candidates: Simon De Brown 4 Sep 1873, Simon Hodder Brown 21 Jun 1924
Wilkinsburg, Pennsylvania, Simon Haram Brown 17 Feb 1922 Woodmere,
Simon Brown 10 Jun 1902 New York, Simon De Brown Chicago Illinois

FamilySearch has a few different ones:,Simon H. Brown 1922,Simon H
Brown 1903,Simeon Brown 1912

Happy hunting!
Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: https://www.JewishGen.org/education
family web site: https://KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm
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[Allan Jordan]

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Phyllis Kramer ***@gmail.com wrote in response to a question from
David Lewin You might send a NARA inquiry to determine if they have the
Passport numbers.

NARA (as does Ancestry and FamilySearch) only has the passport applications up
to the early 1920s and after that they remain at the Passport Bureau which is
part of the US Department of State.

Up until the 20th century passports were for the most part not required
although people did obtain them as a form of identification and proof of
citizenship when traveling aboard. The actual rules varied at different times
which I believe NARA and the State Department detail.

Looking at the applications they are numbered consecutively as opposed to
starting over each year. I am not sure if those numbers translate across to
the actual passport but the ones that NARA has have been named indexed and are
searchable on those sites. The applications that NARA has on microfilm are
identical to the ones that are online today. (Many years ago during one of
the Washington DC conferences I went to NARA and got my great great uncle's
applications off the microfilm long before they went online and after that
looked at the online versions years later.)

What some of you may be interested to learn though is that passport
applications are public record if you can confirm that the person is deceased
and a relative. I sent away for an received both my great grandfather and my
grandparents' passport applications from the 1920s and 1930s. I had to
provide proof they were deceased and in the case of my great grandfather I
sent a New York Times listing for his estate that mentioned my father which
they seemed to accept as proof.

Since I did it years ago my experience might be slightly out of date but it
was a very laborious process. As I recall you could apply directly to the
Passport Bureau or via the State Department and someone told me going via
State was better. For my great grandfather I gave the dates, where he lived
and his basic details and I got the dreaded "not found" letter. Later I was
able to find his return to the USA on the passenger list and the clerks had
written in a number with a "pp" notation which turned out to be his passport
number. I resubmitted the request highlighting a printout of the passenger
list and I got it. As I recall it took almost a year and even then I had
to work with a very nice woman at the State Department who pushed the
Passport Bureau to fulfill the request. A year after that I got a second
copy in the mail from the Passport Department as well.

The applications show things such as their name, the date of birth, where
they were born, their naturalization if they were foreign born, current
address and their plans for the trip aboard. I had hoped my great
grandfather would be specific to a town where be was born but he was not.
He actually had filed twice for a passport for two different trips he made
to Europe in the 1920s. The applications in this period have a photo too.

I do not recall ever seeing any passport files at the New York Public Library
and I do not believe they could have anything different than what is today on
Ancestry.

I submit this because I consider passports one of those overlooked resources
that few people use in their research.

Allan Jordan
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