Discussion:
Given Name Kisiel in Galicia
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j***@lyris.jewishgen.org
2018-02-08 01:48:50 UTC
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Shalom,

I tend to disagree with the most learned scholar, JGFF editor, Alexander
Sharon concerning the given name Kisiel. stemming from the Hebrew name
Yekutiel.

Instead I tend to believe this name is the Yiddish version of the
Hebrew name Katriel which is composed of two Hebrew words Keter
(crown) and El (g-d, Hashem).

I also tend to believe that Sholem Aleichem used/incorporated this name
when he named a fictitious Shteitel of his, "kasrilevske."

All the best,
Ita and Aizic Sechter
Israel

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From: "Alexander Sharon" <***@shaw.ca>
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 14:42:03 -0700
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Name is an Yiddish variations of Hebrew Yekutiel (Yekuthiel) one of the
Moses names which means "God will feed".

MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen Given Names Database for Galicia, based on
legal documents compiled by rabbis for use in divorce proceedings, shows
only Yekutiel, and not Katriel, as a correlate for "Kisiel". See
https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/
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Perets Mett
2018-02-09 02:59:08 UTC
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Alexander Sharon is 100% correct.
The name which is rendered Yekutiel was pronounced throughout Poland and
Galicia "Yekisiel" (this is a matter of fact, not opinion) an indeed is still
pronounced that way by those with roots in Poland and Galicia.

In common with other Hebrew names beginning with Ye- (e.g. Yechezkel,
Yerachmiel), the initial Ye- was frequently dropped, leaving Kisiel.

The name Kasriel is a different name.

Perets Mett
London
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David E Goldman
2018-02-09 03:10:07 UTC
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Regarding the discussion on the name Kisiel, I totally agree with Alexander
Sharon that the name represents the name Yekutiel, because in Hungary,
Poland and Ukraine the long U became an I. Thus we find that Yehuda became
Yihida/Yida. The name Kasriel is Katriel, is an entirely different name.

David Goldman
NYC
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