Discussion:
Are the names the same? Shlioma and Shimel
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Richard Friedman
2018-01-16 18:27:54 UTC
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Hi Genners,
In doing my family research on the KURLANCHIK family from Seta and
Jonava, Lithuania, I came across two possible ancestors. I would like to
know if the are the same person. I could not find a match using
Jewishgen's name list. The first names are Shlioma and Shimel. Any
thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.


Rich Friedman
Lakewood, N.J

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David Ziants
2018-01-17 12:23:59 UTC
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Richard Friedman <***@optonline.net> asked whether first names
Shlioma and Shimel are the same.

I would say generally not (although what are supposed to be different
names sometimes become convoluted):-
Shlioma - A Yiddish version of the Hebrew name Shlomo - often rendered
in English as Solomon.
Shimel - A Yiddish version of the Hebrew name Shimon - often rendered in
English as Simon.

David Ziants
Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel
Researching (on maternal ancestry): GEVELBA (became GABLE, RAVEL, GALE),
SINGER (both from Warsaw, Poland); REINA, REINFELD (from Netherlands -
Dutch Ashkenazi); MICHAELS (originally MICHAEL), VIEYRA, RODERIGUE and
almost every other Dutch Sephardi family name (English and Dutch Sephardi).
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Martin Davis
2018-01-17 15:36:56 UTC
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Richard Friedman wrote: ....I came across two possible ancestors. I
would like to know if they are the same person. I could not find a match
using Jewishgen's name list. The first names are Shlioma and Shimel. Any
thoughts would be appreciated.

Well, theoretically they have origins as two different Hebrew male names:
Shlioma is a Yiddish variant of the Hebrew name Schlomo/Solomon and
Schimel is a diminutive of the Hebrew name Shimon/Simon. I write
"theoretically" because, as was often the custom, a Jewish person's
formal religious name and their secular name could be different and (to
add to the confusion) the secular name might change with fashion or
necessity. My approach on those cases is that until I can find supporting
documents, which conclusively link the two names together as one person,
I work with the material but treat it as potentially unreliable.

Martin Davis
London (UK)
Researching: DAWIDOWICZ, WOLKOWICZ, MAYEROW, MOSZKOWICZ (Dzialoszyn,
Poland), ABRAMOWICZ (Debina, Poland), JAKUBOWICZ, KUSTRZYCKI, SLAMOWICZ,
RADOZYNSKI (Widawa and Lask, Poland), DAWIDOWICZ, GOLDRING, ELIASZ,
SKORUPA-HUBERMAN, PASALSKA (Szczercow, Poland), LEIFERMAN/LAFERMAN
(Kamenets-Podolsk - Ukraine), GOLDSCHMIDT, SHISTER (Balti - Moldova).
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